Captain Sensible

New addition to the fleet 

On 2/1/2024 at 6:51 AM, Saintly Fish said:

This would suggest to me that the Pilot being made up for more overnighting than fishing would be slightly more heavy than the fisher too, so performance will be worse? It's seems it's either balls out or slow as fuck. If that suits you then great, if not maybe look elsewhere

The first time I read this I was like, yeah need a different boat. Now I’m thinking hell yeah, I DO like balls out AND slow as fuck. Could this be the dream boat. 
 

Sounds like my Marina loves a bit of tape measure play so need to decide on how deep the pockets are. 
 

In the meantime I’ve been reading about Marlin 585’s. 
 

Prob just need to buy an Aqua bell with massive diesels and get it done 

That ratio would put my 270kg strikeliner at 50hp? Orkney recommend up to 25hp, it’s got a 30hp yam which will do me for what it does. Maybe the Yank and Southern Crims need a bigger motor as a flex but more practically maybe because of bigger seas than we get in UK? 
 

I’m leaning towards the floating caravan that is the hardy pilot 20, will have a word with someone who used to own one who is based at same marina. Just about to get a new tent canopy made for the strikeliner. Another season for the Strikey or find a bigger boat? Do I don’t I 🙄

On 1/29/2024 at 9:22 AM, Saintly Fish said:

That's a rather heavy boat for a 90hp engine. Unless pootling about you'll be drinking full and thrashing the engine. 
Looks in nice nick though. 

You got me checking our boat weights now or to be a proper toff, displacements. How many hands is your horse please. 
 

So my findings are here ✏️ 

Orkadian 20
900kg

Hardy Fisher 
1000kg

Jeanneau 585
880kg

Beneteau Antares 580
1150kg

Quicksilver 580 
1150kg

The Jeanneau was in French so I might not have understood. 

What size lump should drive 900~1150kg of boat? 
 

The Orkadian and Hardy folk seems to go for 75~90 horses 🐎 

A floating sofa? Orkadian

2 hours ago, Saintly Fish said:

@Captain Sensible how about an older Merry fisher?? 
 

https://www.boatsandoutboards.co.uk/boat/2006-jeanneau-merry-fisher-625-hb-9157199/

 

Or the smaller 585 marlin. 
 

https://www.boatsandoutboards.co.uk/boat/2007-jeanneau-585-marlin-9173718/

Unless the Marina was going to do mates rates the 625 is 1.25m over that maximum. It’s a lovely boat though, curtains and everything 

I found that 585 you’ve linked and thought it could be a contender. The sleeping area prob not as nice, sort of a place to doss, but then you get a lighter boat that should plane to a decent speed and deal with a choppy sea? 

Or a heavy old f$€ker like the Hardy ? What mpg is a 115hp Yam lump going to give. That’s Hardy forum territory with no guarantee. Read about people getting 25 knots out of them 

8 minutes ago, JonC said:

I run out of Bradwell, usually head east to the middle deep or black deep and occasionally south east to the knock.My boat is only 21’ but I’ve never had conditions where I’ve felt worried, often get big ones crashing over the top but we don’t get the big swells in the Thames area. I do look at 16’ boats when I’m out sometimes and think that they must be getting smashed all over the place. 
I’ll definitely try the towers area this year  thanks. 

Black Deep and King’s Channel get a mention on our group for some better fish, even the odd mackerel. 
 

When it’s windy there’s a bit coming out of Walton channel where it meets the tide and I’ve turned around at that point, motion of the boat felt quite violent and could just imagine a wave breaking over side. Owners say they can take a lot these Strikeliner, think I’d prefer higher sides 

2 hours ago, JonC said:

Yeah, swinging maureens sound like a pain to me. 

What areas do you tend to fish? Do you drop south around the Walton/Clacton area or head north? 
I planned on going up to Roughs this year but never got around to it- do you know if it’s still worth going there? 
 

Another reason to get something bit bigger/more freeboard is Roughs Towers, or Towers as the other like to call it. I tend to get out from Walton backwaters and out to Stone Banks. Another 20-30 mins gets you to the towers and yes it’s worth it. Stonking smoothies caught that way and decent bass. I do ok on stone banks and even backwaters. Dropping south to Clacton /Holland on sea can be good for cod/unicorns, again smaller boat can get caught out.
 

I can do 14-15knots, cannot get the 18-22 other strikeliner owners brag about and revs only 4500. So wondering if right set up could get another boat that can get over hump, or just take a bit more of a lumpy sea. Could see me plugging a head sea in any boat to be fair, just is one a bit safer than another 

1 minute ago, JonC said:

I’ve no knowledge of the vessels you mentioned but good luck with it. Where abouts are you planning on keeping her? 

Existing boat is in Tit’marsh so would stay there. They do cheaper swinging moorings but still up to 6.1m sort of got to used to the pontoon walk on lifestyle 💅🏼 

A what boat thread (hopefully)

Current ship: Strikeliner 16

Would like to have: 

6.1m max LOA because of daylight robbery mooring, option to sleep overnight, khazi, warmer winter (diesel heater) pilot house, speed 16-20+ knots, economyishical, £10~15k in doubloons 

Smooth brain thoughts: Hardy Fisher 20’, Orkney Orkadian 20’, Hardy Pilot 20’

East Coast fishing (Essex), so annoying short green sea chop

Anyone here been on a Orkadian 20’? Same hull as Day Angler 19’ with living room up front and small deck area behind. Told they don’t plane much (semi D) and bow rise restricts forward vision 

Trim tabs, prop woes, weight and power all get mentioned getting Orkadien and Fishers lump over the hump 

It’s a lot to ask from 20’

Strikeliner getting canopy tent fitted next month so no rush but I’m bigger boat curious, the romance of an overnight in a river and up early off to the mark

🏴‍☠️ 

Boat was out of water for quite a while and hull doesn’t have much inside even if full. Like 10L or so, un thought about weight can be cumulative in that way so there’s that to consider.
 

Yes those sponge cells I hear just soak up water, owners have posted deteriorated blobs to prove it. Probably not fit for purpose and might hold 5L or so per side? 
 

Have got 25L fuel, 110amh battery in the stern but moving fuel midships doesn’t change things, moving a crew member to the bows didn’t either 

With all this info The smooth brains of an another group produced not much, maybe I should simplify for them/us?

Make boat go voom voom

Orkney Strikeliner 16 

30HP Yam 4S outboard should rev 5000-5500 wot

Hull not deformed 

Outboard raised up so plate online with bottom of hull

Outboard serviced, not balanced carbs but otherwise running well no leaks.

Set up:
Yamaha 30hp four stroke outboard
25L fuel & battery stored to stern 

25L fuel stored bow locker
Leisure battery in bow locker
10m 8mm anchor chain with 7.5kg Bruce anchor in bow storage with 40m rope

Clean enough hull, copper coated
Outboard lined up with keel

Prop Test:Run both ways on an estuary, results same each way. Revs taken from digital Yam rev counter, speed taken from Dragonfly 7 Pro

Prop results:

Prop 1 Genuine Yamaha
Prop Size: 11 3/8 x 12” 
Revs: 4400 
Knots: 16-17
Load: 1 Man (13st)

Prop 2 Genuine Yamaha
Prop Size: 12 1/4 x 9" 
Revs: 5000 
Knots: 15
Load: 1 Man (13st)

Prop 3 Michigan Marine
Prop sizes 10 3/8ths x 11” Three Blade prop with Yamaha hub kit adapter. 
Revs: 4500
Knots: 14-15
Load: 1 Man (13st)

Prop 4 Genuine Yamaha
Prop Size: 10 5/8 x 12” 
Revs: 4400 
Knots: 11.2
Load: 1 Man (13st)

No water in boat

Have removed 30kg of ‘stuff’ from bow locker not gone out since then.

Local mech says 5000 rpm best I’m going to get

Michigan Marine says something wrong with outboard

Other Strikeliner owners getting 18-22knots with similar set up

Only time I’ve heard same comment of nature not producing straight lines was about Vietnam war and booby traps left for US soldiers. People who set the traps marked them with horizontal sticks up high which, if you’re used to jungle environment sticks out like a sore thumb

Anyway I digress, with Navionics has anyone noticed a deterioration in the lower zoom quality since the relief shading ‘upgrade’ I think bag-o-shite and others have said same. Upgrade took away a couple of options to use different colours on lower zoom, think they’ve fixed the crashing bug if no phone signal 

Didn’t see B.O.A.T get a mention they don’t have moorings but do have member benefits. Agree with previous comment that borrowing boat spares is a local pastime in Teign estuary, hence Boat Watch of afore mentioned club. Your pride and joy safer where it is

Think you’ve nailed it, bow mounted outboard stick it in reverse. 
 

The boat is ass heavy - 30hp 90kg yam 4 stroke about double the weight of what it was built for (25hp two stroke ) 

In stern is also battery (not in a box)  and fuel tank next to each other. Tank would go into open storage under cuddy 

I make the odd cup of tea in cuddy with stove (with hatch open) 

just occurred to me stove and venting tank might not be ideal - but then what the f do I know 

https://imgur.com/a/udO2V2G

One time when I sat accidentally on the fuel tank air came out the vent screw so it baint be one way plus think on hot days it needs to vent out 

The 22L kind, air valve lets air in for fuel to go out. How much vapour goes the opposite way? 
 

Moving tank from stern to under cuddy on an Orkney stinkliner no wanna go bang 🔥 ⛴️ 

https://imgur.com/a/5NKzG1I

Have been away me hearties to land spit spit spit getting rid of the rough stuff on her bottom and making her all smooth and less holy. Now she’s back in the sea where she belongs and it’s the wind the fury and the fishing we be after. Arrrrr. 

2 hours ago, Odyssey said:

Sounds like a lot of hassle….

You just need big boots 

15 minutes ago, Andy135 said:

I tried eating one a few seasons ago. Once finned and skinned it comes out like this.

 

I then cut it into chunks/goujons, rolled in flour, salt & pepper then shallow fried it. The taste was ok, but I was underwhelmed by the texture - a bit mushy and gelatinous. Not flaky and firm like white fish.

Be interested to hear how you get on with it in a curry - the softer texture might work better in a thick, spicy sauce than it did as fried fish.

 

Think the idea is to freeze it. Then eat it frozen. Very firm. 
 

No me joko but freezing is supposed to make fish firmer 

Did you bleed it? 

Next decent sized dog I catch is going in the pot. If life throws you lemons make a fish curry 

16 minutes ago, Captain Sensible said:

 

oohlaalaa 

Suppose I was of adding handrails, then where to put rods out of the way, then bait table would be nice on a bar across the back of the boat. 

what is this witchcraft 

oohlaalaa