Malc

The stand up jighead rig and jika/Cheb rigs are great on very slow tides so I would imagine that they would work swinging around at anchor or cast a short distance as I have used them like that, apart from at anchor, from a kayak although I have used them at anchor from a boat but just as a trial, jury is still out in this instance.

I was interested in a thread further down where @Andy135hope I got the name right, was asking about cod and in particular; "Back on topic for a moment, has anyone had any success bouncing a lure across open ground for cod, or only on wrecks? Thinking it could be a good technique to cover lots of ground to find the fish, rather than using a bait as long as yer arm to draw them (and every other species) in."
Rather than drag an old topic up I thought I would put in my two penn'eth in as they are my bread and butter and luring is my preferred method.
Generalisations first; cod like a buzzy, noisy, tail thumping lure but will take things like savage gear sandeel slugs that have little movement or water noise but that is usually during the warmer months. Baited hokkais, Muppets etc over broken ground will get plenty of fish but smaller specimens so if there is little doing then drifting with a set of these may help find or attract a shoal or individual fish. We had a sticky day recently when big baits nailed to the bottom were getting little interest but rods in the holders with Muppets were getting the fish.
Firstly "bouncing" a fish type lure. Generally I don't bounce unless I am not getting fish, or not seeing any on the FF I lower to the bottom and keep it as close as possible with just the motion of the boat to impart movement. If you see fish on the sounder wind up 5-10ft and then let it free fall back. I prefer to rig weedless as I fish mainly over rough ground and where there are likely to be pots and I don't miss many proper takes. These are the lures I use taken at random to show what I mean by noisy.

The pink storm shad is a summer lure put in to show the differences, the lengths are similar but the tails are not.

That's why I prefer the ones on the right and centre, good tail thumping action! I doubt that the sidewinder in the centre would be much use in deep fast water on its own but could be used on a flying collar rig. The spiky gets used by me on a cheburaska (Cheb?) rig but would also be ok on a flying collar, I also use it on a stand up jighead rig if I know that there are cod about but are being picky however it does get snagged up a lot so be warned. Last bit is about rigging, generally I use 30lb flouro trace with a crosslock link rated well above the trace, usually 35kg, but we used to get a few small ling in the early summer so I used to up the trace then to 60-80lb but most times fish are hooked in the scissors or front upper of the mouth.
Variation on the above which can get you a bonus Pollock if they are about or helps visually is to have a short dropper about 3" long 12-18" above the shad and I use a sandeel slug or sluggo etc on a worm hook, again to stop unnecessary snagging but also to assist in keeping it horizontal. I sometimes use two droppers if it is summer as I find that small 3-4" slugs work best but later on I will use single droppers with 6-9" slugs or curltail.
I will add more later when I get time about using creature baits and other rigs etc, hope you find it useful.

I was interested in a thread further down where @Andy135hope I got the name right, was asking about cod and in particular; "Back on topic for a moment, has anyone had any success bouncing a lure across open ground for cod, or only on wrecks? Thinking it could be a good technique to cover lots of ground to find the fish, rather than using a bait as long as yer arm to draw them (and every other species) in."
Rather than drag an old topic up I thought I would put in my two penn'eth in as they are my bread and butter and luring is my preferred method.
Generalisations first; cod like a buzzy, noisy, tail thumping lure but will take things like savage gear sandeel slugs that have little movement or water noise but that is usually during the warmer months. Baited hokkais, Muppets etc over broken ground will get plenty of fish but smaller specimens so if there is little doing then drifting with a set of these may help find or attract a shoal or individual fish. We had a sticky day recently when big baits nailed to the bottom were getting little interest but rods in the holders with Muppets were getting the fish.
Firstly "bouncing" a fish type lure. Generally I don't bounce unless I am not getting fish, or not seeing any on the FF I lower to the bottom and keep it as close as possible with just the motion of the boat to impart movement. If you see fish on the sounder wind up 5-10ft and then let it free fall back. I prefer to rig weedless as I fish mainly over rough ground and where there are likely to be pots and I don't miss many proper takes. These are the lures I use taken at random to show what I mean by noisy.

The pink storm shad is a summer lure put in to show the differences, the lengths are similar but the tails are not.

That's why I prefer the ones on the right and centre, good tail thumping action! I doubt that the sidewinder in the centre would be much use in deep fast water on its own but could be used on a flying collar rig. The spiky gets used by me on a cheburaska (Cheb?) rig but would also be ok on a flying collar, I also use it on a stand up jighead rig if I know that there are cod about but are being picky however it does get snagged up a lot so be warned. Last bit is about rigging, generally I use 30lb flouro trace with a crosslock link rated well above the trace, usually 35kg, but we used to get a few small ling in the early summer so I used to up the trace then to 60-80lb but most times fish are hooked in the scissors or front upper of the mouth.
Variation on the above which can get you a bonus Pollock if they are about or helps visually is to have a short dropper about 3" long 12-18" above the shad and I use a sandeel slug or sluggo etc on a worm hook, again to stop unnecessary snagging but also to assist in keeping it horizontal. I sometimes use two droppers if it is summer as I find that small 3-4" slugs work best but later on I will use single droppers with 6-9" slugs or curltail.
I will add more later when I get time about using creature baits and other rigs etc, hope you find it useful.

Creatures
I use this rig, I believe it is a variation on a jika (?) rig two connected split rings with the top having the hook the bottom has a rotten bottom and weight that works in that area. I use different lengths as some areas the rocks have short lengths of weed on them. The only reason for the quick link is so I can quickly change to a single shad or other lure.

You can use a shad/minnow on them but I like using creatures or tubes and hop them over the bottom like a shrimp, squat, langoustine or similar. To create a bit more noise you can put a glass rattle inside the body.

Tight lines 🎣

Creatures
I use this rig, I believe it is a variation on a jika (?) rig two connected split rings with the top having the hook the bottom has a rotten bottom and weight that works in that area. I use different lengths as some areas the rocks have short lengths of weed on them. The only reason for the quick link is so I can quickly change to a single shad or other lure.

You can use a shad/minnow on them but I like using creatures or tubes and hop them over the bottom like a shrimp, squat, langoustine or similar. To create a bit more noise you can put a glass rattle inside the body.

Tight lines 🎣

I was interested in a thread further down where @Andy135hope I got the name right, was asking about cod and in particular; "Back on topic for a moment, has anyone had any success bouncing a lure across open ground for cod, or only on wrecks? Thinking it could be a good technique to cover lots of ground to find the fish, rather than using a bait as long as yer arm to draw them (and every other species) in."
Rather than drag an old topic up I thought I would put in my two penn'eth in as they are my bread and butter and luring is my preferred method.
Generalisations first; cod like a buzzy, noisy, tail thumping lure but will take things like savage gear sandeel slugs that have little movement or water noise but that is usually during the warmer months. Baited hokkais, Muppets etc over broken ground will get plenty of fish but smaller specimens so if there is little doing then drifting with a set of these may help find or attract a shoal or individual fish. We had a sticky day recently when big baits nailed to the bottom were getting little interest but rods in the holders with Muppets were getting the fish.
Firstly "bouncing" a fish type lure. Generally I don't bounce unless I am not getting fish, or not seeing any on the FF I lower to the bottom and keep it as close as possible with just the motion of the boat to impart movement. If you see fish on the sounder wind up 5-10ft and then let it free fall back. I prefer to rig weedless as I fish mainly over rough ground and where there are likely to be pots and I don't miss many proper takes. These are the lures I use taken at random to show what I mean by noisy.

The pink storm shad is a summer lure put in to show the differences, the lengths are similar but the tails are not.

That's why I prefer the ones on the right and centre, good tail thumping action! I doubt that the sidewinder in the centre would be much use in deep fast water on its own but could be used on a flying collar rig. The spiky gets used by me on a cheburaska (Cheb?) rig but would also be ok on a flying collar, I also use it on a stand up jighead rig if I know that there are cod about but are being picky however it does get snagged up a lot so be warned. Last bit is about rigging, generally I use 30lb flouro trace with a crosslock link rated well above the trace, usually 35kg, but we used to get a few small ling in the early summer so I used to up the trace then to 60-80lb but most times fish are hooked in the scissors or front upper of the mouth.
Variation on the above which can get you a bonus Pollock if they are about or helps visually is to have a short dropper about 3" long 12-18" above the shad and I use a sandeel slug or sluggo etc on a worm hook, again to stop unnecessary snagging but also to assist in keeping it horizontal. I sometimes use two droppers if it is summer as I find that small 3-4" slugs work best but later on I will use single droppers with 6-9" slugs or curltail.
I will add more later when I get time about using creature baits and other rigs etc, hope you find it useful.

I was interested in a thread further down where @Andy135hope I got the name right, was asking about cod and in particular; "Back on topic for a moment, has anyone had any success bouncing a lure across open ground for cod, or only on wrecks? Thinking it could be a good technique to cover lots of ground to find the fish, rather than using a bait as long as yer arm to draw them (and every other species) in."
Rather than drag an old topic up I thought I would put in my two penn'eth in as they are my bread and butter and luring is my preferred method.
Generalisations first; cod like a buzzy, noisy, tail thumping lure but will take things like savage gear sandeel slugs that have little movement or water noise but that is usually during the warmer months. Baited hokkais, Muppets etc over broken ground will get plenty of fish but smaller specimens so if there is little doing then drifting with a set of these may help find or attract a shoal or individual fish. We had a sticky day recently when big baits nailed to the bottom were getting little interest but rods in the holders with Muppets were getting the fish.
Firstly "bouncing" a fish type lure. Generally I don't bounce unless I am not getting fish, or not seeing any on the FF I lower to the bottom and keep it as close as possible with just the motion of the boat to impart movement. If you see fish on the sounder wind up 5-10ft and then let it free fall back. I prefer to rig weedless as I fish mainly over rough ground and where there are likely to be pots and I don't miss many proper takes. These are the lures I use taken at random to show what I mean by noisy.

The pink storm shad is a summer lure put in to show the differences, the lengths are similar but the tails are not.

That's why I prefer the ones on the right and centre, good tail thumping action! I doubt that the sidewinder in the centre would be much use in deep fast water on its own but could be used on a flying collar rig. The spiky gets used by me on a cheburaska (Cheb?) rig but would also be ok on a flying collar, I also use it on a stand up jighead rig if I know that there are cod about but are being picky however it does get snagged up a lot so be warned. Last bit is about rigging, generally I use 30lb flouro trace with a crosslock link rated well above the trace, usually 35kg, but we used to get a few small ling in the early summer so I used to up the trace then to 60-80lb but most times fish are hooked in the scissors or front upper of the mouth.
Variation on the above which can get you a bonus Pollock if they are about or helps visually is to have a short dropper about 3" long 12-18" above the shad and I use a sandeel slug or sluggo etc on a worm hook, again to stop unnecessary snagging but also to assist in keeping it horizontal. I sometimes use two droppers if it is summer as I find that small 3-4" slugs work best but later on I will use single droppers with 6-9" slugs or curltail.
I will add more later when I get time about using creature baits and other rigs etc, hope you find it useful.

I was interested in a thread further down where @Andy135hope I got the name right, was asking about cod and in particular; "Back on topic for a moment, has anyone had any success bouncing a lure across open ground for cod, or only on wrecks? Thinking it could be a good technique to cover lots of ground to find the fish, rather than using a bait as long as yer arm to draw them (and every other species) in."
Rather than drag an old topic up I thought I would put in my two penn'eth in as they are my bread and butter and luring is my preferred method.
Generalisations first; cod like a buzzy, noisy, tail thumping lure but will take things like savage gear sandeel slugs that have little movement or water noise but that is usually during the warmer months. Baited hokkais, Muppets etc over broken ground will get plenty of fish but smaller specimens so if there is little doing then drifting with a set of these may help find or attract a shoal or individual fish. We had a sticky day recently when big baits nailed to the bottom were getting little interest but rods in the holders with Muppets were getting the fish.
Firstly "bouncing" a fish type lure. Generally I don't bounce unless I am not getting fish, or not seeing any on the FF I lower to the bottom and keep it as close as possible with just the motion of the boat to impart movement. If you see fish on the sounder wind up 5-10ft and then let it free fall back. I prefer to rig weedless as I fish mainly over rough ground and where there are likely to be pots and I don't miss many proper takes. These are the lures I use taken at random to show what I mean by noisy.

The pink storm shad is a summer lure put in to show the differences, the lengths are similar but the tails are not.

That's why I prefer the ones on the right and centre, good tail thumping action! I doubt that the sidewinder in the centre would be much use in deep fast water on its own but could be used on a flying collar rig. The spiky gets used by me on a cheburaska (Cheb?) rig but would also be ok on a flying collar, I also use it on a stand up jighead rig if I know that there are cod about but are being picky however it does get snagged up a lot so be warned. Last bit is about rigging, generally I use 30lb flouro trace with a crosslock link rated well above the trace, usually 35kg, but we used to get a few small ling in the early summer so I used to up the trace then to 60-80lb but most times fish are hooked in the scissors or front upper of the mouth.
Variation on the above which can get you a bonus Pollock if they are about or helps visually is to have a short dropper about 3" long 12-18" above the shad and I use a sandeel slug or sluggo etc on a worm hook, again to stop unnecessary snagging but also to assist in keeping it horizontal. I sometimes use two droppers if it is summer as I find that small 3-4" slugs work best but later on I will use single droppers with 6-9" slugs or curltail.
I will add more later when I get time about using creature baits and other rigs etc, hope you find it useful.

I was interested in a thread further down where @Andy135hope I got the name right, was asking about cod and in particular; "Back on topic for a moment, has anyone had any success bouncing a lure across open ground for cod, or only on wrecks? Thinking it could be a good technique to cover lots of ground to find the fish, rather than using a bait as long as yer arm to draw them (and every other species) in."
Rather than drag an old topic up I thought I would put in my two penn'eth in as they are my bread and butter and luring is my preferred method.
Generalisations first; cod like a buzzy, noisy, tail thumping lure but will take things like savage gear sandeel slugs that have little movement or water noise but that is usually during the warmer months. Baited hokkais, Muppets etc over broken ground will get plenty of fish but smaller specimens so if there is little doing then drifting with a set of these may help find or attract a shoal or individual fish. We had a sticky day recently when big baits nailed to the bottom were getting little interest but rods in the holders with Muppets were getting the fish.
Firstly "bouncing" a fish type lure. Generally I don't bounce unless I am not getting fish, or not seeing any on the FF I lower to the bottom and keep it as close as possible with just the motion of the boat to impart movement. If you see fish on the sounder wind up 5-10ft and then let it free fall back. I prefer to rig weedless as I fish mainly over rough ground and where there are likely to be pots and I don't miss many proper takes. These are the lures I use taken at random to show what I mean by noisy.

The pink storm shad is a summer lure put in to show the differences, the lengths are similar but the tails are not.

That's why I prefer the ones on the right and centre, good tail thumping action! I doubt that the sidewinder in the centre would be much use in deep fast water on its own but could be used on a flying collar rig. The spiky gets used by me on a cheburaska (Cheb?) rig but would also be ok on a flying collar, I also use it on a stand up jighead rig if I know that there are cod about but are being picky however it does get snagged up a lot so be warned. Last bit is about rigging, generally I use 30lb flouro trace with a crosslock link rated well above the trace, usually 35kg, but we used to get a few small ling in the early summer so I used to up the trace then to 60-80lb but most times fish are hooked in the scissors or front upper of the mouth.
Variation on the above which can get you a bonus Pollock if they are about or helps visually is to have a short dropper about 3" long 12-18" above the shad and I use a sandeel slug or sluggo etc on a worm hook, again to stop unnecessary snagging but also to assist in keeping it horizontal. I sometimes use two droppers if it is summer as I find that small 3-4" slugs work best but later on I will use single droppers with 6-9" slugs or curltail.
I will add more later when I get time about using creature baits and other rigs etc, hope you find it useful.

You know where to stick a pot noodle 😂
Cod and Pollock mainly but that's just because I have recently moved here from central Scotland. Had a mid to small haddock on my friends boat just a mile or so off in 40-50ft which was a great surprise, plus I have been getting a few pout on the yak as well which would have been a surprise 45 years ago when I was a kid living here but are fairly common place now. 
Hope to target flats, plaice mainly but hope to get a turbo among them, and bass as well as they aren't as rare as they once were.
Just a general question about boat rigs for bait fishing as I rarely fish with the usual baits on the bottom.
Will post some pics of the rig at some point but in the meantime...

Welcome aboard. I can see you’ll fit in well 😁😁😁😁

Welcome aboard Malc, you'll fit right in.... Ignore the rig tips from captain blank over there tho unless you aim to catch doggies!!.....

You know where to stick a pot noodle 😂
Cod and Pollock mainly but that's just because I have recently moved here from central Scotland. Had a mid to small haddock on my friends boat just a mile or so off in 40-50ft which was a great surprise, plus I have been getting a few pout on the yak as well which would have been a surprise 45 years ago when I was a kid living here but are fairly common place now. 
Hope to target flats, plaice mainly but hope to get a turbo among them, and bass as well as they aren't as rare as they once were.
Just a general question about boat rigs for bait fishing as I rarely fish with the usual baits on the bottom.
Will post some pics of the rig at some point but in the meantime...

I doubt I will be back up there with the kayak very much, but I do have at least 20 marks plotted and jotted down in my little black book just off Kingsbarns alone 👍
 
Ooh putting words in my mouth! I merely said; "you know where to stick a pot noodle" and after reading/lurking here for a while assumed that you would put it in your mouth, you are after all the head honcho pot noodler of this forum aren't you? 😉

I doubt I will be back up there with the kayak very much, but I do have at least 20 marks plotted and jotted down in my little black book just off Kingsbarns alone 👍
 
Ooh putting words in my mouth! I merely said; "you know where to stick a pot noodle" and after reading/lurking here for a while assumed that you would put it in your mouth, you are after all the head honcho pot noodler of this forum aren't you? 😉

Well if it is, I'm well south of the wall, in fact I'm just over the river from Wallsend, and after three decades on the other side I'm back in the country of my birth 😜

Hi, recently spotted this site when looking for answers so I lurked for a few days and now I have a moment, joined.
I fish mainly from a kayak, mostly lures, around the NE of England and latterly Fife and Angus. I am also blessed by having friends who have a rather nice boat and I get to join them for trips out from the NE and we go over to compete in the MOGSAF tope festival.
Looking forward to learning more and contributing!

🤣 You've got him down to a tee!
I can see you'll fit in nicely round here 😁

I doubt I will be back up there with the kayak very much, but I do have at least 20 marks plotted and jotted down in my little black book just off Kingsbarns alone 👍
 
Ooh putting words in my mouth! I merely said; "you know where to stick a pot noodle" and after reading/lurking here for a while assumed that you would put it in your mouth, you are after all the head honcho pot noodler of this forum aren't you? 😉

You know where to stick a pot noodle 😂
Cod and Pollock mainly but that's just because I have recently moved here from central Scotland. Had a mid to small haddock on my friends boat just a mile or so off in 40-50ft which was a great surprise, plus I have been getting a few pout on the yak as well which would have been a surprise 45 years ago when I was a kid living here but are fairly common place now. 
Hope to target flats, plaice mainly but hope to get a turbo among them, and bass as well as they aren't as rare as they once were.
Just a general question about boat rigs for bait fishing as I rarely fish with the usual baits on the bottom.
Will post some pics of the rig at some point but in the meantime...

Hi, recently spotted this site when looking for answers so I lurked for a few days and now I have a moment, joined.
I fish mainly from a kayak, mostly lures, around the NE of England and latterly Fife and Angus. I am also blessed by having friends who have a rather nice boat and I get to join them for trips out from the NE and we go over to compete in the MOGSAF tope festival.
Looking forward to learning more and contributing!

You know where to stick a pot noodle 😂
Cod and Pollock mainly but that's just because I have recently moved here from central Scotland. Had a mid to small haddock on my friends boat just a mile or so off in 40-50ft which was a great surprise, plus I have been getting a few pout on the yak as well which would have been a surprise 45 years ago when I was a kid living here but are fairly common place now. 
Hope to target flats, plaice mainly but hope to get a turbo among them, and bass as well as they aren't as rare as they once were.
Just a general question about boat rigs for bait fishing as I rarely fish with the usual baits on the bottom.
Will post some pics of the rig at some point but in the meantime...

You know where to stick a pot noodle 😂
Cod and Pollock mainly but that's just because I have recently moved here from central Scotland. Had a mid to small haddock on my friends boat just a mile or so off in 40-50ft which was a great surprise, plus I have been getting a few pout on the yak as well which would have been a surprise 45 years ago when I was a kid living here but are fairly common place now. 
Hope to target flats, plaice mainly but hope to get a turbo among them, and bass as well as they aren't as rare as they once were.
Just a general question about boat rigs for bait fishing as I rarely fish with the usual baits on the bottom.
Will post some pics of the rig at some point but in the meantime...

You know where to stick a pot noodle 😂
Cod and Pollock mainly but that's just because I have recently moved here from central Scotland. Had a mid to small haddock on my friends boat just a mile or so off in 40-50ft which was a great surprise, plus I have been getting a few pout on the yak as well which would have been a surprise 45 years ago when I was a kid living here but are fairly common place now. 
Hope to target flats, plaice mainly but hope to get a turbo among them, and bass as well as they aren't as rare as they once were.
Just a general question about boat rigs for bait fishing as I rarely fish with the usual baits on the bottom.
Will post some pics of the rig at some point but in the meantime...

Hi Malc, welcome to the site.
I understand you have some good fishing ground up your way. What do you target?
As Jon says, we love a good boat pic or three, so please do tell us about your yak set up on the Show Us Yer Boat thread (https://www.offshoreoutlaws.co.uk/forum/13-show-us-yer-boat/).
You mentioned you found us while searching for answers - what was the question you had in mind? Happy to help if we can. 👍