Scotch_Egg2012 Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 That Pout looked perfect live bait size, do you uptide or just down tide? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintly Fish Posted December 13, 2021 Author Share Posted December 13, 2021 15 minutes ago, Scotch_Egg2012 said: That Pout looked perfect live bait size, do you uptide or just down tide? 90% down tide Scott. I've tried up tiding but I'm not great at it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotch_Egg2012 Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 23 hours ago, Saintly Fish said: 90% down tide Scott. I've tried up tiding but I'm not great at it. I've found uptiding can make a large difference in your catch rate, I like to stick one out with a live bait on and fish a second with normal dead baits. I've had quite a few winter trips where the uptide rods have massively out fished my own downtider and others on my boat solely using downtiders. I'd recommend persevering with it and getting the practice in. Dicky 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintly Fish Posted December 14, 2021 Author Share Posted December 14, 2021 34 minutes ago, Scotch_Egg2012 said: I've found uptiding can make a large difference in your catch rate, I like to stick one out with a live bait on and fish a second with normal dead baits. I've had quite a few winter trips where the uptide rods have massively out fished my own downtider and others on my boat solely using downtiders. I'd recommend persevering with it and getting the practice in. What depths do you uptide in though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odyssey Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 52 minutes ago, Saintly Fish said: What depths do you uptide in though? I uptide in 80ft of water no problem Scotch_Egg2012 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotch_Egg2012 Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 1 hour ago, Saintly Fish said: What depths do you uptide in though? My marks on the Nab Spoils are between 80 & 100ft, uptide there no problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintly Fish Posted December 14, 2021 Author Share Posted December 14, 2021 33 minutes ago, Scotch_Egg2012 said: My marks on the Nab Spoils are between 80 & 100ft, uptide there no problem Ok, so if it's that deep what advantage does uprising make apart from covering more ground? It's not like you get too much of a noise area in those depths. I understood that uprising is for getting a bait away from the noise? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotch_Egg2012 Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 1 hour ago, Saintly Fish said: Ok, so if it's that deep what advantage does uprising make apart from covering more ground? It's not like you get too much of a noise area in those depths. I understood that uprising is for getting a bait away from the noise? You'd be suprised how much noise the anchor rode makes in a strong tide, it also allows you to fish a lighter lead and as you said covers more ground. There will be other differences, I can only speak from my own findings that on most days my uptiders will out fish my downtiders setup with the same rigs / baits Andy135 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy135 Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 2 minutes ago, JonC said: This is a simplified idea of how the anchor ride scatters the fish. The fish I have circled are small dogfish. So following this line of thinking, there must be an advantage to paying out lots more line when downtiding to put the bait further away from the rode noise i.e. fish as far away from the rode as you can, either sideways or far downtide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintly Fish Posted December 15, 2021 Author Share Posted December 15, 2021 7 hours ago, JonC said: This is a simplified idea of how the anchor ride scatters the fish. The fish I have circled are small dogfish. I'd give you a like, thanks and informative for this if I could. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintly Fish Posted December 15, 2021 Author Share Posted December 15, 2021 7 hours ago, JonC said: This is a simplified idea of how the anchor ride scatters the fish. The fish I have circled are small dogfish. Those 3 you've circled, they are the 3 I normally catch. They are normally the toughest and biggest too/2/two, not scared of nufink Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suzook12 Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 7 hours ago, Andy135 said: So following this line of thinking, there must be an advantage to paying out lots more line when downtiding to put the bait further away from the rode noise i.e. fish as far away from the rode as you can, either sideways or far downtide. You would think, but as you are not using the tide to hold the lead, then you run more risk of being towed out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odyssey Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 8 hours ago, JonC said: What size leads are you yoosing/using? Do you go with fixed geminis or breakaways? When we had our SLT AGM last month I was struggling with 230g with anything other than small finger sized baits, there was a decent flow of tide in about 60-70’ of water. 210g Fixed red head Gemini. 40lb braid (0.32mm dia) whole squid. You need and let loads of line out. JonC 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike farrants Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 yeah i thought it was thick (40lb) mainline to specifically catch the tide and put a bow in the line, grip lead to hold bottom? i bought a nice Penn INXS uptider 2nd hand but never got to try it out, will give it a go now! great diagram Jon! JonC 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odyssey Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 21 minutes ago, JonC said: Have you been using braid for a while? A lot of people advise against it but I’ve not really used it for casting. I’ve started this year. Needs to bed on spool but works well, just check the end by your lead in case it’s frayed. I can uptide in deeper water and faster tides which is main advantage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odyssey Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 Just now, mike farrants said: yeah i thought it was thick (40lb) mainline to specifically catch the tide and put a bow in the line, grip lead to hold bottom? i bought a nice Penn INXS uptider 2nd hand but never got to try it out, will give it a go now! great diagram Jon! Thick line can be too thick…. Sometimes best to go thinner. I woukd suggest 20lb mono and a 60lb shock leader to start. You want to cast closer to the rode as the tide runs fastest, then almost 90deg to boat at slack water Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintly Fish Posted December 15, 2021 Author Share Posted December 15, 2021 9 hours ago, JonC said: Get yourself a copy of this, loads of pictures and some great fashion tips Just ordered a copy on eBay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintly Fish Posted December 15, 2021 Author Share Posted December 15, 2021 16 minutes ago, JonC said: Good. I think that some of the clothing that they are wearing could be a massive game changer for you. Does that mean I can break out my shimano hoodie again? You know the one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintly Fish Posted December 15, 2021 Author Share Posted December 15, 2021 11 minutes ago, JonC said: Have we got a photo that can be shared with the rest of the class? I think it’s only fair. Just for you... mick 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintly Fish Posted December 15, 2021 Author Share Posted December 15, 2021 2 minutes ago, JonC said: Yeah that is awful. I’m thinking Jimmy Savile. I like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy135 Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 5 minutes ago, JonC said: Yeah that is awful. I’m thinking Jimmy Savile. Yep, definite hint of the 80's and 90's about that hoodie. When I first saw that photo I thought it was a shell-suit top. JonC 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintly Fish Posted December 15, 2021 Author Share Posted December 15, 2021 27 minutes ago, Andy135 said: Yep, definite hint of the 80's and 90's about that hoodie. When I first saw that photo I thought it was a shell-suit top. And what's wrong with that?? Put it together with a pot noodle and we are well away! JonC 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike farrants Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 love it - bang on trend now! id wear it (not on the boat it has green in it and i wouldn't want it getting ruined) half zip, hood, pouch pocket, what's not to like? looks like the stripes go round the arms too - awesome- can we get some OO ones - in light and dark blue? Saintly Fish 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike farrants Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 splendid hat as well - top marks Sir! Saintly Fish 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy135 Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 11 minutes ago, mike farrants said: love it - bang on trend now! id wear it (not on the boat it has green in it and i wouldn't want it getting ruined) half zip, hood, pouch pocket, what's not to like? looks like the stripes go round the arms too - awesome- can we get some OO ones - in light and dark blue? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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