GPSguru Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 3 hours ago, Saintly Fish said: Can you show on a diagram please? (Notice unlike some, I say please) I dont really do drawing's, but I will tske a still off a vid to demonstrate wot I mean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GPSguru Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 39 minutes ago, Hoop said: Here, here Jon. I think for the most part size etc is relative to lines used. Decent lines tend to knot better, give higher resistance to abrasion at lower diameters. Not a million miles away from the topic, I've heard recently of a theory regarding braided lines vibrating in tide and in turn spooking nearby feeding fish? 🤔 Some beach folk turning their backs to braid and fixed spools, going back to multis and mono.. wondered what the average boaty thought on this? I will never go back to mono, purely because of the stretch ( even co polymer is 12% ish). Bite detection and lure control is just so much better and easier with almost zero stretch braid. Hoop 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GPSguru Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 35 minutes ago, JonC said: What moosic will you put in the background? I’m thinking a bit of gangster rap? A still doesnt have music 🙄 That is why I am an engineer and you are a twat 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GPSguru Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 6 minutes ago, JonC said: Vid ? ‘Take a still’ or is your ability to read, not that good 🤣🤣🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GPSguru Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 7 minutes ago, JonC said: Well if yor spelling was better… tske? Sausage fingers in my phone ! 👍🤣😇🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GPSguru Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 5 hours ago, Saintly Fish said: I struggle with the bobbin when it comes to going back across the first load of twists. It never seems to want to travel back the way I swear at it to. Is my tension too tight? Look at the vid below from about 3:30 onwards, at 3:36 the guy uses a tad of tension to the tip of the bobbin with the index finger to ensure the bobbin reverses direction, which is exactly how I do it. Generally, I use my right hand for that to happen. A PR bobbin knot can be tied in less than 2 minutes on the boat, how long does it take to tie a FG knot on a rocking boat ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy135 Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 50 minutes ago, GPSguru said: A PR bobbin knot can be tied in less than 2 minutes on the boat, how long does it take to tie a FG knot on a rocking boat ? Honestly, about a minute. Have done it on a rocking boat and in the dark on the shore. All without a bobbin too. GPSguru 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GPSguru Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 12 minutes ago, Andy135 said: Honestly, about a minute. Have done it on a rocking boat and in the dark on the shore. All without a bobbin too. Your minute is probably closer to 5 ! .......... to get 25 wraps will be at least 25 - 30 seconds I always said I could tie a bobbin knot in 30 secs, but timed it was 2 mins. I always said a Yucatan knot was quick, but timed it was a little over a minute. Anyway, it matters little, the whole point is that we tie the knot that suits us best and a knot that each of us have confidence in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy135 Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 2 minutes ago, GPSguru said: Your minute is probably closer to 5 ! .......... to get 25 wraps will be at least 25 - 30 seconds I always said I could tie a bobbin knot in 30 secs, but timed it was 2 mins. I always said a Yucatan knot was quick, but timed it was a little over a minute. Anyway, it matters little, the whole point is that we tie the knot that suits us best and a knot that each of us have confidence in. Don't get me wrong I find it a ballache having to tie an FG, but it's the least fiddly of the wrapper knots out there. The actual tying is doable in 1-2 mins easy, but it's the cutting back the frayed braid to good and getting another length of leader ready that sucks the time (and effort) up. GPSguru 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintly Fish Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 9 hours ago, Andy135 said: Don't get me wrong I find it a ballache having to tie an FG, but it's the least fiddly of the wrapper knots out there. The actual tying is doable in 1-2 mins easy, but it's the cutting back the frayed braid to good and getting another length of leader ready that sucks the time (and effort) up. So 1 min becomes 1-2 mins. Reality is probably 10! GPSguru 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy135 Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 11 minutes ago, Saintly Fish said: So 1 min becomes 1-2 mins. Reality is probably 10! Certainly no longer than 2 mins. On average 1 min 30 seconds if you want to be precise about it 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintly Fish Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 11 minutes ago, Andy135 said: Certainly no longer than 2 mins. On average 1 min 30 seconds if you want to be precise about it 😉 I'm sooooo gunna call you out on this next time we fish!! 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy135 Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 4 minutes ago, Saintly Fish said: I'm sooooo gunna call you out on this next time we fish!! 🤣 You can get your stopwatch out too 😛 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy135 Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 Just now, JonC said: That’s really impressive, must be those nimble little fingers you have. obviously you have 7 days to train. No pressure Bring it 💪 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odyssey Posted March 25, 2023 Author Share Posted March 25, 2023 Anyway, I skipped the mono leader…. straight through with braid. GPSguru 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintly Fish Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 1 hour ago, Andy135 said: Bring it 💪 We will video it, you can have one practise run through. Andy135 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDP Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 (edited) On 3/25/2023 at 3:17 AM, Saintly Fish said: I struggle with the bobbin when it comes to going back across the first load of twists. It never seems to want to travel back the way I swear at it to. Is my tension too tight? I don't do mine like they do in the video posted on here, I use a jigging master bobbin and do the join the same as the manufacturers do in their videos. I don't do a tight wrap followed by a second tight wrap over itself, rather more like one row of wrap over two straight strands. The start is tricky but for me I do the start with around 10 wraps pinching the start between my thumb and finger nail. Once those first 10 wraps have been laid I drag them firmly and tightly towards the start of the join, this will often lose a few wraps meaning I only have 5-6 tight turns but from those I can continue the wrap down the line and simply finish with back to front half hitches like in most videos. Getting the bobbin at the correct tension for the line class doesn't take long to get the hang of. As for time, even having done lots of them for myself and friends outfits, I do find they can be a bit time consuming just like fg knots. If anything though I can normally do a pr quicker than an fg and like mentioned never have them fail, hence why I end up doing so many for game fishing buddies after their fg fails on a big tuna etc!!!!!! Edited March 29, 2023 by JDP GPSguru 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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