Odyssey Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 Here you go..... https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/193752099667 Classic rod, I’d be tempted myself if I wasn’t skint! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suzook12 Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 1 hour ago, Saintly Fish said: How old was your lad though Steve when he landed the tope? That wasn't the point Neil, it was that the rod could cope, a 20lb class rovex.... The one Andy gave him in fact! I wouldn't go down the £150+ rod route for my lad, in case it didn't work out..... By that I mean, I can pick a rod up and know in a very short space of time if It will fit in with what I want, my lad doesn't have enough experience to make that call with yet.... When he does, hopefully he can buy his bloody own!!! 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GPSguru Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 20 minutes ago, Saintly Fish said: I bought a beach rod for 50% rrp because the shop owner left his catalogue open on the counter and I spotted what it cost him to buy. He paid £100 and sold at £300. That is a bit greedy ............. the retail on that rod should have been 225 -250 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GPSguru Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 3 minutes ago, JonC said: Rrps are funny things, Fisty gave me a link for a replacement kitchen tap, he was giving me free advice I hope. The link listed it at £350, first search on google found it for £160 ish. True, perhaps I shouldn't tell you this, but most fishing gear is based on a 45% Margin and that is before any quantity discounts are taken into account ........... it is not difficult to achieve a 60 - 70% Margin by careful buying and paying the bills on time ............. JonC and Andy135 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odyssey Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 6 minutes ago, JonC said: Of course, the retailer has to fund their operation. My rule of thumb for pricing work is labour times three. The middle third covering overheads and a third for profit. I guess you have a lot of OVERHEADS in the scaffolding game 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Geoff 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintly Fish Posted November 24, 2020 Author Share Posted November 24, 2020 38 minutes ago, JonC said: Rrps are funny things, Fisty gave me a link for a replacement kitchen tap, he was giving me free advice I hope. The link listed it at £350, first search on google found it for £160 ish. Tbf, that tap link was from the bristan web site. Buying direct from a manufacturer is never a great idea. It was meant more as a source of info rather than a go buy it here suggestion. Your a smart cookie Jon (tight wad), I knew you’d google it for discounts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintly Fish Posted November 24, 2020 Author Share Posted November 24, 2020 4 minutes ago, JonC said: You was even kind enough to offer me a 3% discount 😂 Ive only used this as example of manufactures Rrp Did I say 3%? I meant 2%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDP Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 Think many low cost rods simply have a rating averaged on how they feel but couldn't actually be loaded to the rating. Many of the Jigging rods I use are actually tested ( every single one of them ) to withstand the dead lift loads rated at different angle of load testing. Example being the Jigging master rods I use which can certainly be loaded to loads most of use simply can't continually use ( things like 32kg of dead lift ). Even very light rods can be used on big fish without to much of an issue as long as the reel seat and guides are able to handle the forces. If you reduce the height angle any rod is used at on bigger fish then breaking isn't going to be a problem, this could even work on a rod designed for small fish of the rod is simply pointed directly at the fish so you are fighting off the reel so to speak. If I'm fishing for bream on a light rod and a 100kg stingray eats the bait, I don't end with a broken rod, I simply fight it differently. Some bent butt game rods I was looking at yesterday were tottaly different in action but the rating remained the same, so you can't simply assume each 24kg game rod will have the same action. There's also no regulations on how they are rated so the numbers really don't mean to much in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headlight Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 (edited) Manufacturers ratings can vary wildly. One companies 20-30 rod can be very similar to another companies 12-20 for example. With IGFA ratings the rating is based on the amount of weight needed to bend the tip 90 degrees to the butt, I think. Obviously different actions can still make the rods feel different but it is a standardised rating system across manufacturers as opposed to a manufacturers own rating system. To give an idea how IGFA ratings can compare to a manufacturers ratings I have Ugly Stik 30-50"s which are probably around IGFA 20lb, Daiwa TDX 20-50 which is probably around IGFA 25-30lb, Okuma 50-80 which would probably be around IGFA 35-40lb and Penn Ally 50-100 which is probably around IGFA 50lb. Edited November 25, 2020 by headlight Andy135 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDP Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 Here's my muppet of a daughter playing with a 5lb sinker on a variety of rods and yes we use 5 lb sinkers and 5 lb jigs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headlight Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 She hasn"t got shoes either. Poor girl. JDP 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GPSguru Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 5 hours ago, headlight said: With IGFA ratings the rating is based on the amount of weight needed to bend the tip 90 degrees to the butt, I think. Yes, correct. Most boat rods are J curve. Most coarse rods are C curve. But yes, UK boat rods vary by a huge amount. suzook12 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suzook12 Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 1 hour ago, GPSguru said: Yes, correct. Most boat rods are J curve. Most coarse rods are C curve. But yes, UK boat rods vary by a huge amount. I own an inordinate amount of course rods with actions from bending through to the butt, through to extreme tip action and most points in between, so to generalise that "most" are a C curve would be a wild generalisation. Is there such a thing as a UK boat rod? Arent the manufacturers international companies? Can the rods mentioned previously only be bought in the UK. I have found that my boat rods are like my coarse and beach rods in variation..... Just sayin.... We have between us, gone somewhat off topic, the object was to find something Leo could cope with. I guess the only real answer is to go to a well stocked tackle shop and see how much he can put through it while someone hangs on to the top Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GPSguru Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 53 minutes ago, suzook12 said: I own an inordinate amount of course rods with actions from bending through to the butt, through to extreme tip action and most points in between, so to generalise that "most" are a C curve would be a wild generalisation. Is there such a thing as a UK boat rod? Arent the manufacturers international companies? Can the rods mentioned previously only be bought in the UK. I have found that my boat rods are like my coarse and beach rods in variation..... Just sayin.... We have between us, gone somewhat off topic, the object was to find something Leo could cope with. I guess the only real answer is to go to a well stocked tackle shop and see how much he can put through it while someone hangs on to the top Yeah your right, I was getting the boat ready and didn't explain myself very well 😇 ...... all of MY coarse rods are C curve ...... Greys specialist Avons and Century NG’s ....... I only fish for Carp , Barbel, Chub, and Tench ..... all on the French rivers....... my point about UK boat rods is UK rod designations, it seems to be unique to us and wide open to interpretation. However, a great % are J (ish) curve and any of those rods taken beyond that point will be ‘locked out’ and pretty useless ........ to really learn about what rods ‘do’, I always encourage my crew to fish with a light tackle setup a few times . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odyssey Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 Go on..... Daiwa Amourpjous whisker.... built by British factory for British fishing..... 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintly Fish Posted November 25, 2020 Author Share Posted November 25, 2020 22 minutes ago, Odyssey said: Go on..... Daiwa Amourpjous whisker.... built by British factory for British fishing..... 😉 I did see that but for a 9 year old £200 on a used rod before it’s rebuilt and customised is too much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintly Fish Posted November 25, 2020 Author Share Posted November 25, 2020 I did last night buy Leo an ugly stick gx2 12-20lb rod as a Christmas present. Then I am going to get him to design his own customisation. The rod will then get stripped, re built with superior fittings and bling’d to his own design Geoff 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suzook12 Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 17 minutes ago, Saintly Fish said: I did last night but Leo an ugly stick gx2 12-20lb rod as a Christmas present. Then I am going to get him to design his own customisation. The rod will then get stripped, re built with superior fittings and bling’d to his own design Very lucky lad 👍 Geoff 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintly Fish Posted November 25, 2020 Author Share Posted November 25, 2020 8 minutes ago, suzook12 said: Very lucky lad 👍 Watch this space for the first offshore outlaws custom rod!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintly Fish Posted November 25, 2020 Author Share Posted November 25, 2020 1 minute ago, JonC said: I’m thinking red and white stripes so it can blend into the cabin? Seeing as he is a Southampton fan I reckon red and white will be quite heavily featured. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiDfish Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 Get the lad a shorter rod. He'll handle an old-fashioned 6-6'6" rod much easier than an 8 footer. Lighter and less leverage against him. Be able to move up a line class without noticing the difference. Saying that, I reckon the Kensaki's are some of the best out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintly Fish Posted November 25, 2020 Author Share Posted November 25, 2020 3 minutes ago, SiDfish said: Kensaki's are some of the best out there. Yep and at £150 a pop they made the re build too expensive to warrant. His 8-12lb Zziplex is 8ft and he handles that just fine. So the Ugly stick won’t be a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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