GPSguru Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 6 minutes ago, thejollysinker said: When I first got my boat they (Stuart) charged me £20 a week for the three months I had it there Stuart got the elbow some time ago (2 years). They got a woman manager in there that seems to run a good show. I think Alan pays about £400 ish per year for his Offshore 25. thejollysinker 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejollysinker Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 4 minutes ago, GPSguru said: Stuart got the elbow some time ago (2 years). They got a woman manager in there that seems to run a good show. I think Alan pays about £400 ish per year for his Offshore 25. much better! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintly Fish Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 7 minutes ago, GPSguru said: Stuart got the elbow some time ago (2 years). They got a woman manager in there that seems to run a good show. I think Alan pays about £400 ish per year for his Offshore 25. X14 for my mooing cost !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GPSguru Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 49 minutes ago, Saintly Fish said: X14 for my mooing cost !! Torquay marina would be about X12, brixham a little cheaper, maybe X10, Salcombe an Dartmouth probably X15 or more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintly Fish Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 Just now, GPSguru said: Torquay marina would be about X12, brixham a little cheaper, maybe X10, Salcombe a Dartmouth probably X15 or more. Location,Location,Location. GPSguru 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejollysinker Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 2 hours ago, Saintly Fish said: X14 for my mooing cost !! Don’t quite know how to react to that except for ‘jesus Christ’ 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daio web Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 looks like loads of good info as i said good bunch of boys all trying to help one and another out you soon be dangling bud haha Andy135 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daio web Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 1 minute ago, thejollysinker said: Don’t quite know how to react to that except for ‘jesus Christ’ 🤣 they must suply the boat aswell for that lol thejollysinker, GPSguru and Saintly Fish 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Saintly Fish Posted July 13, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted July 13, 2023 16 minutes ago, thejollysinker said: Don’t quite know how to react to that except for ‘jesus Christ’ 🤣 It's not all bad, I mean for the money this year I got a 10m piece of floating wood to moor up to, an electrical hook up and two water taps, one of which doesn't work. Oh and Wi-Fi that doesn't give Wi-Fi. And as a bonus gift a warm can of yuppie larger!! Bargain! daio web, captin slows old outlaw, suzook12 and 2 others 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy135 Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 2 hours ago, Saintly Fish said: And as a bonus gift a warm can of yuppie larger!! Bargain! Yuppie lager?? I'm in!! 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintly Fish Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 8 hours ago, Andy135 said: Yuppie lager?? I'm in!! 🤣 Like I said, only one can. Soz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suzook12 Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 If you go storage and bigger boat, you then have the option of taking your kayaks with you and can get closer in to features that you just couldn't paddle to before and wouldn't want to take the bigger boat in close to. Range is something you really need to consider, horse power needs feeding and lots of it, especially if speed is a requirement too. An old slogger will go anywhere on a fivers worth of cherryade, but will take you all day to get there, and you could probably do the same range in the kayaks!! Outboards and planing hull boats you are talking litres per nautical mile, so be aware that the kind of journies you are thinking could result in 50-60 litres of fuel per trip. I think the pilot4 you pointed at would get old real quick, not many benefits over the yaks, none of the advantages, and likewise compared to a bigger boat. There are a few boats around the size of warriors that have good sea keeping qualities, and bought second hand fully kitted "could" be a bargain. You would need to know what you are looking at, or get someone that does, and of course, you are buying the previous owners maintenance or lack of daio web and Andy135 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GPSguru Posted July 15, 2023 Share Posted July 15, 2023 On 7/13/2023 at 1:53 PM, RogB said: Thanks - that sounds like a good suggestion and minimal faffing. I am more open to paying for secure storage than for a mooring (a patch of gravel and a load of liabilities in my eyes!). I didn't know they also did accessible storage. I am aware of the Shaldon Marine storage yard but I expect thats mainly to overwinter boats. Here you go, https://riversideteignmouth.co.uk/ Saintly Fish 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogB Posted July 16, 2023 Author Share Posted July 16, 2023 On 7/15/2023 at 12:38 PM, GPSguru said: Here you go, https://riversideteignmouth.co.uk/ Thanks, I had already contacted them and had a nice swift reply. Seems your mate must be very lucky as the charges must have gone up - £90+/per month for 5m. Which at first sight is a bit steep but if you launched once a week it would cost £40 per month for parking at Polly Steps. So, assuming you can park at Riverside while afloat, its not quite so bad for regular use. Unfortunately I recon we would be closer to launching once a month average. We did go look at a Pilot 4 in Exeter and a quick measure up confirmed it would just fit lengthwise but the cuddy would need to come off for the height, which isn't a problem as its designed to pop on and off. That one was nearly new with a 30hp Tohatsu 4s and a small fishfinder (which is a bit surplus as we have fishfinders and portable VHF from kayaking). It looked roomy in the back for two fishing as although short (very short as we observed when driving off and comparing to the Warrior 165 parked next to it) its also 6' wide which would be enough for our lure fishing (no bait tanks, chopping boards etc to worry about). We also found a private seller with a better spec nearly new, with a 40 hp, useful accessories and no extra electronics for similar money, which on paper seems a better option. On 7/14/2023 at 10:27 AM, suzook12 said: I think the pilot4 you pointed at would get old real quick, not many benefits over the yaks, none of the advantages, and likewise compared to a bigger boat. This, and the access problems and fact that the boat would hinder or block getting the kayaks out of the garage, is causing me some concerns. But I don't think we can justify a bigger boat (which would have to be older and more risky proposition for newbies) and a lot of ongoing non maintenance costs. So still undecided..... daio web 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GPSguru Posted July 16, 2023 Share Posted July 16, 2023 2 hours ago, RogB said: Thanks, I had already contacted them and had a nice swift reply. Seems your mate must be very lucky as the charges must have gone up - £90+/per month for 5m. Which at first sight is a bit steep but if you launched once a week it would cost £40 per month for parking at Polly Steps. So, assuming you can park at Riverside while afloat, its not quite so bad for regular use. Unfortunately I recon we would be closer to launching once a month average. We did go look at a Pilot 4 in Exeter and a quick measure up confirmed it would just fit lengthwise but the cuddy would need to come off for the height, which isn't a problem as its designed to pop on and off. That one was nearly new with a 30hp Tohatsu 4s and a small fishfinder (which is a bit surplus as we have fishfinders and portable VHF from kayaking). It looked roomy in the back for two fishing as although short (very short as we observed when driving off and comparing to the Warrior 165 parked next to it) its also 6' wide which would be enough for our lure fishing (no bait tanks, chopping boards etc to worry about). We also found a private seller with a better spec nearly new, with a 40 hp, useful accessories and no extra electronics for similar money, which on paper seems a better option. This, and the access problems and fact that the boat would hinder or block getting the kayaks out of the garage, is causing me some concerns. But I don't think we can justify a bigger boat (which would have to be older and more risky proposition for newbies) and a lot of ongoing non maintenance costs. So still undecided..... My mate has been at riverside for a long, long time, so I guess he ‘knows’ the right people ! With regard to polly steps parking, I pay an annual permit ( you can get seasonal as well) of £300 (£150 car + £150 trailer). Did I see you fishing shaldon beach Saturday evening at about 7:00pm ?, there was a few fishing this afternoons low tide and taking a few out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogB Posted July 16, 2023 Author Share Posted July 16, 2023 Yes, we did Ness beach for a bit but the waves and wind weren't conducive to anything showing so we moved onto Shaldon, had a chat with Stuart who left and caught a few schoolies on redgills. I kept snagging up though so called it a day early before losses got embarrassing. A few others arrived as we left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GPSguru Posted July 16, 2023 Share Posted July 16, 2023 2 minutes ago, RogB said: Yes, we did Ness beach for a bit but the waves and wind weren't conducive to anything showing so we moved onto Shaldon, had a chat with Stuart who left and caught a few schoolies on redgills. I kept snagging up though so called it a day early before losses got embarrassing. A few others arrived as we left. Yes, Stuart was there at about 6pm when I parked up, I saw him catch a couple before you arrived. If the weather holds, then I might go to the skerries on Tuesday, but looking iffy at the moment. It was busy down there on the late afternoon low tide and there were a good few coming out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogB Posted July 26, 2023 Author Share Posted July 26, 2023 I'm off to see a Pilot 4 tomorrow, nearly new so engine (100hrs, 1 yr old), boat and trailer are warrantied still, which is somewhat re-assuring for a newbie. They wont take me for a spin in it as its not insured or moored anywhere so it will be a look on the driveway. Seems you can idle the Tohatsu MFS40A EPTL as long as its got a healthy water supply from muffs, bucket or the dedicated flushing hose port so I expect they will do one of these. Anything I should look out for beyond - a strong telltale pee, smooth idle, no smoke etc? Steering working, no bumps or dings in the hull, no cracks in the floor or GRP anywhere (its described as immaculate). I guess the trailer winch needs checking its secure and the wheel bearings aren't wobbly/seized. How many sets of keys would you expect to get? Thanks Rog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintly Fish Posted July 26, 2023 Share Posted July 26, 2023 @RogB personally I'd never buy a boat without a test run. Engines perform differently when under load than when just sat in a bucket idling. Any honest seller would understand that and make the effort to show off their boat by showing you what it can do. If it's newish I'd expect 2 sets of keys and the kill cord. Also a first, second service receipt or stamp in the service book. If the seller refuses to take you for a test ride, how do you know it's their boat and not lifted off a driveway somewhere?? Check all ownership papers and make sure the name on the paperwork matches the sellers ID!! jonnyswamp and daio web 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daio web Posted July 26, 2023 Share Posted July 26, 2023 i totally agree with neil also you would like to see how stable it is in the water and what electrics come with it all the best bud hope you get a good deal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintly Fish Posted July 26, 2023 Share Posted July 26, 2023 1 minute ago, JonC said: A great example of this was when @KennyPowers bought that boat you surveyed, luckily after a bunch of stress he got all his money back but that was from a dealer and not a private seller, who could very easily just jog you on. That was a great example of a lazy person buying a boat without first looking at it. I reserve the right to the protection of the courts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suzook12 Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 I guess you are determined to buy a pilot 4 regardless. To do so without a sea trial would be doing away with the one chance to see if it will do what you want, and see how claustraphobic a 4m boat really is. You need to evaluate it's sea keeping abilities above anything else. Personally, I feel you will be dissappointed, and the boat will see less use than the yak. The fact the guy is unwilling to give a sea trial on a 1 year old boat and engine rings alarm bells to me on many fronts. And why is he selling so soon? Could just be he realises how limited it is and wants a bigger boat..... If you wanted something to potter around on the river/estuary, then yeah, probably ideal, anything beyond that flat calm days only, however often that happens 😉. But then, it's probably already sat on your driveway.... Saintly Fish and daio web 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KennyPowers Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 On 7/26/2023 at 6:52 PM, Saintly Fish said: That was a great example of a lazy person buying a boat without first looking at it. I reserve the right to the protection of the courts. I am grateful you know nothing about boats because it led to me ending up with my Arvor which I’ve put about 400 hours on😘 Saintly Fish 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KennyPowers Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 Not read the whole thread but teignmouth is basically Basildon on sea, whatever boat you buy will get robbed. thejollysinker 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejollysinker Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 1 minute ago, KennyPowers said: Not read the whole thread but teignmouth is basically Basildon on sea, whatever boat you buy will get robbed. Not had a problem with mine on a drying mooring in 4 years 😊 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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