GPSguru Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, Saintly Fish said: I think my good mate @GPSguru is probably Bob on. There is spider grazing on the port side of the super structure. I’ve known about this since purchase. It’s nothing severe just a bit of cosmetic damage. It’s quite possible that the crack on the tube happened then and wasn’t repaired very well. And when I say crack I’m mean it is a hair line crack not a gapping hole. And it’s only about 2cm in length. But over time and pressure the water has entered. I guess with both repairs being below the water line on a moored boat then you are going to need a very professional repair to have some peace of mind. Repair 'availability' might also be a factor from those that are most able to do a good job ? I am not convinced about hotter weather 'drying' the area, our weather in the UK is way too unreliable for that scenario. Edited January 15, 2021 by GPSguru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 (edited) Neil, I am sure that you are aware that this damage needs a full investigation as to its extent. Was the FG layup damaged and the repairer just filled a couple of cracks with filler? It is obviously no good just cleaning it up and re covering the damage with filler. I think that the gelcoat needs removing over an area around the problems to try to ascertain exactly what the problem is. Even if the laminations are damaged it is not the end of the world and need not really be too expensive to fix. It is a pity that you are not a bit closer to Bourne as I am sure repair would be less than the transport costs. Good luck and I hope it is not too bad, but you must find out the full extent of any damage. Geoff. Edited January 15, 2021 by Geoff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintly Fish Posted January 15, 2021 Author Share Posted January 15, 2021 1 minute ago, Geoff said: Neil, I am sure that you are aware that this damage needs a full investigation as to its extent. Are the FG layup damaged and the repairer just filled a couple of cracks with filler it is obviously no good just cleaning it up and re covering the damage with filler. I think that the gelcoat needs removing over an area around the problems to try to ascertain exactly what the problem is. Even if the laminations are damaged it is not the end of the world and need not really be too expensive to fix. It is a pity that you are not a bit closer to Bourne as I am sure repair would be less than the transport costs. Good luck and I hope it is not too bad, but you must find out the full extent of any damage. Geoff. Thanks Geoff, in the next day or two the Grp is going to be ground back to investigate the extent of the damage. I did have a nice chat this morning from a company called osmatec in Hamble. The owner who has many many years of bow thruster tunnel installation and repairs recons that it not going to be a 5-6 month dry time. He reckons with an inta red heater on it a day a week then around a month to sort out. Fingers crossed. He also said that putting her inside isn’t worth the cost because the storage would cost more than the repair itself. Geoff and GPSguru 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odyssey Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 10 minutes ago, Saintly Fish said: Thanks Geoff, in the next day or two the Grp is going to be ground back to investigate the extent of the damage. I did have a nice chat this morning from a company called osmatec in Hamble. The owner who has many many years of bow thruster tunnel installation and repairs recons that it not going to be a 5-6 month dry time. He reckons with an inta red heater on it a day a week then around a month to sort out. Fingers crossed. He also said that putting her inside isn’t worth the cost because the storage would cost more than the repair itself. Sounds more sensible..... Leaving the sun to dry it out perhaps not the most reliable 😬 Geoff 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captin slows old outlaw Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 14 hours ago, JonC said: I hope you’re not suggesting Fisty has ram raided someone and not told us ? I’m sure he would come clean - it’s not like we would pass judgment or anything. who are you kiding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captin slows old outlaw Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 😬 i feal for you, that is bad news, glad you discoverd it nkow i soppose you will be checking the hull all over know. when the lock down is over (so i can travile) I will gladly give you a hand . Geoff, Saintly Fish and Andy135 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintly Fish Posted January 15, 2021 Author Share Posted January 15, 2021 29 minutes ago, captin slows old outlaw said: 😬 i feal for you, that is bad news, glad you discoverd it nkow i soppose you will be checking the hull all over know. when the lock down is over (so i can travile) I will gladly give you a hand . Thanks Pete, you may live to regret that offer 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suzook12 Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 Neil, IR heating is one thing for drying out, but it will need to be inside or a damn site warmer before any glass work can be done otherwise you will be back to where you started in a very short time. Sure Geoff is more up on glassing temps. Even if its only building a tent over it will help keep temp up a couple or three degrees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captin slows old outlaw Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 i new someone with a simerler problem i know he yoused a heater in the boat th help it dry out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintly Fish Posted January 17, 2021 Author Share Posted January 17, 2021 If I put a tarp over the bow of the boat once it’s ground out and use an infrared heater, will something like this do the job? https://www.machinemart.co.uk/p/clarke-370spc-swivel-head-infa-red-heater-230v/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suzook12 Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 Neil, I have no idea if that heater will cut it or not. You will have to talk to someone with experience of such things. I do like Jon's idea tho, of the sheeted scaffold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GPSguru Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 On 1/15/2021 at 12:23 PM, Saintly Fish said: in the next day or two the Grp is going to be ground back to investigate the extent of the damage. When are they starting ? .......... weather is poo until the end of the week Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintly Fish Posted January 21, 2021 Author Share Posted January 21, 2021 Some good news on this today ... Hello Neil I stopped by your boat today and opened up the two areas in question. The bow thruster tube has been repaired with a epoxy filler however one side or the repair had separated allowing water to pass through. The laminate looks dry and clean. The patch on the keel reveled 3 broken stainless screws antifouled or gel coated over. These had also opened up allowing water to pass through. The laminate looks dry. Both areas will dry within time for next month launch, I recommend grinding the screws down below the laminate followed by a fiberglass patch and gel coated over, primer the antifouling. Thanks lewis GPSguru 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintly Fish Posted January 21, 2021 Author Share Posted January 21, 2021 9 minutes ago, Saintly Fish said: Some good news on this today ... Hello Neil I stopped by your boat today and opened up the two areas in question. The bow thruster tube has been repaired with a epoxy filler however one side or the repair had separated allowing water to pass through. The laminate looks dry and clean. The patch on the keel reveled 3 broken stainless screws antifouled or gel coated over. These had also opened up allowing water to pass through. The laminate looks dry. Both areas will dry within time for next month launch, I recommend grinding the screws down below the laminate followed by a fiberglass patch and gel coated over, primer the antifouling. Thanks lewis My reply.. Ahh that's a relief that it's not too bad Lewis. I did pop down there this afternoon and noticed that the tunnel crack had slowed down with the weeping, so I'm glad about that. Would it be prudent to scrape away the epoxy fill repair from both sides of the tube and do it all again properly?? GPSguru 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintly Fish Posted January 21, 2021 Author Share Posted January 21, 2021 Just now, Saintly Fish said: My reply.. Ahh that's a relief that it's not too bad Lewis. I did pop down there this afternoon and noticed that the tunnel crack had slowed down with the weeping, so I'm glad about that. Would it be prudent to scrape away the epoxy fill repair from both sides of the tube and do it all again properly?? His reply back.... I had a sigh of relief too, there was no weeping or wet patches and I went pretty deep to. Yes I agree let's take the filler out and laminate the area for a nice repair. When is your boat due to be launched? GPSguru 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotch_Egg2012 Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 Good news Neil, nothing worse than the waiting to see the extent of the damage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintly Fish Posted January 21, 2021 Author Share Posted January 21, 2021 1 minute ago, Scotch_Egg2012 said: Good news Neil, nothing worse than the waiting to see the extent of the damage. Thanks Scott, I must admit I was bricking it just a bit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotch_Egg2012 Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 2 minutes ago, Saintly Fish said: Thanks Scott, I must admit I was bricking it just a bit! I know your pain well, I had some Hull damage occur when I was in Town Quay marina. Luckily it could only have occurred a couple of days before I had the boat lifted. Once I had cleaned it all up it was a waiting game to see if she had taken any more water into the layup, the period after we had the heaters on it and then letting it sit to monitor it were the worst. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotch_Egg2012 Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 Only found this when I had her lifted for an engine service JonC and Andy135 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintly Fish Posted January 21, 2021 Author Share Posted January 21, 2021 1 minute ago, Scotch_Egg2012 said: Only found this when I had her lifted for an engine service That’s a nice scrape Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotch_Egg2012 Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 Just now, Saintly Fish said: That’s a nice scrape Yeah unbeknown to me and the marina to be fair was a flat rock under my mooring, it only came in contact with it on the spring equinox tides. Which were 2-3 days before she was lifted. As I repaired it myself they paid all materials and forfeited the years mooring fee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotch_Egg2012 Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 Now you'd never know, I check that repair very regularly Saintly Fish 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintly Fish Posted January 21, 2021 Author Share Posted January 21, 2021 2 minutes ago, Scotch_Egg2012 said: Yeah unbeknown to me and the marina to be fair was a flat rock under my mooring, it only came in contact with it on the spring equinox tides. Which were 2-3 days before she was lifted. As I repaired it myself they paid all materials and forfeited the years mooring fee Wow what a bonus. Scotch_Egg2012 and JonC 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotch_Egg2012 Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 Apologies for hijacking your thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintly Fish Posted January 21, 2021 Author Share Posted January 21, 2021 3 minutes ago, Scotch_Egg2012 said: Apologies for hijacking your thread No problem, we get used to it here. Ignore Jon. When I had my MF755 I found a gouge about 3” long and half inch deep on the bow about half a foot under the anti foul water line. It’s was fresh as no growth on it. This was discovered when she was lifted for winter. I’m convinced (due to the freshness) that the yard boys did it whilst lifting her out. I reckon they hit the concrete wall as she came forward in the crane. It’s was of course denied. Still was a quick fix and no real harm done. But was a shocker when I saw it. Scotch_Egg2012 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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